Aliens, Angels and Higher-Dimensional Beings Explained

Could angels, spirit guides and extraterrestrial intelligence be connected?

In this episode of The Wellness Algorithm, Anshu Bahanda speaks with numerologist and spiritual intuitive Ginni Aneja about aliens, angels, channelling, astral realms and the Law of One.

Ginni explains her belief that consciousness extends beyond the physical body and that different beings may exist across multiple dimensions. She shares personal experiences of sensing spiritual presences, receiving intuitive messages and interacting with what she calls “lower-dimensional” and “higher-dimensional” beings. 

They also discuss how meditation may affect spiritual awareness, why similar encounters are described across different cultures, and whether angels and extraterrestrials could be understood through the same wider framework of consciousness.

This episode explores spirituality, extraterrestrial life, intuition and the possibility that reality extends beyond what humans can currently perceive or explain. 

Note: During the conversation, Ginni Aneja refers to the work of Dr Steven Greer, David Icke and Billy Carson. These names are included for reference so listeners can explore the people and ideas discussed in the episode.

Dr Steven Greer:https://drstevengreer.com/
David Icke:https://davidicke.com/
Billy Carson:https://www.4biddenknowledge.com/

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Transcript

Anshu Bahanda: There was a time when, if you talked about aliens or UFOs, or even angels and seeing them, people would either dismiss you or look at you very suspiciously. But now, these conversations are happening everywhere.

In documentaries, in government hearings, in spiritual circles, at universities and around dinner tables all over the world. But maybe the real question is not, “Are we alone?” Maybe the question is, “What exactly have we human beings been encountering throughout history?”

Because across cultures and centuries, people describe remarkably similar experiences: messengers, guides, beings of light, presences beyond ordinary reality. And these could be different beliefs, different languages and different religions, and yet the same patterns appear again and again.

So, what are people actually experiencing?

Today, on The Wellness Algorithm, part of the Wellness Curated podcast, we’re exploring one of the most fascinating and uncomfortable questions of our times. We’re going to talk about extraterrestrials, extra-dimensional beings, UFOs and angels.

My guest today is Ginni Aneja. She’s a numerologist, a spiritual intuitive and someone who has spent years exploring the space where spirituality and the unexplained meet.

My intention with these podcasts is to help, and if I manage to help one person per podcast, that’s huge for me. If you do share it with someone and help them out, I’m very grateful to you in advance.

Ginni, welcome to the show. A lot of people have been waiting for this chat with you today.

Ginni Aneja: Thank you so much. So have I. It’s very interesting to talk about all of this, and I love the way you put it.

AB: Oh, thank you.

GA: [It is] being discussed in the inner circles, and it is something that we’ve been encountering for thousands of years, but nobody has been able to put a finger on it. Yeah, I like that. That gave me a lot of ideas.

AB: The thing is that, until now, when we talked about this, scientists would roll their eyes. Now, look, the White House has released UFO files. Whether you believe they’re right or not is another issue, but the point is that even they are acknowledging UFOs. That’s huge.

Now people can’t roll their eyes anymore and say, “You’re imagining it.”

GA: Right. So, if I begin with where you started, people have been encountering and experiencing a lot of things, but they don’t know what exactly it is or what to put a finger on. It’s very simple to understand that it’s not just extraterrestrial. “Aliens” would be a wrong word because nobody is an alien. What is an alien? What is the meaning of an alien? An alien is something which is foreign, which is not there or which you don’t understand.

Yes, you can say that you don’t understand, and you have not encountered [them]. But “alien” would be a wrong word because all of us are part of the same universe. We are all part of this one huge universe, or multiple universes.

The only difference is—and yes, we’ve been taught that there is no life except for Earth—but that was all humbug. And there is life in many star systems. The stars that we see at night, maybe all have some form of life, but we have not been told.

Between the star systems and the Earth, there are again astral cities. Now, the astral cities are all here. They’re in this space, in the sky or between the sky and Earth.

But we can’t see them because of the difference in frequency. The vibration is different. The frequency is different.

AB: Before you proceed, Ginni, I want you to tell me: how do you know there are astral cities? I’m going to keep taking you back to basics, just so people understand that what you’re saying is coming from a place of research and not just imagination, so to say.

GA: In India, in Indian culture and in all the cultures, most of the cultures, they speak about Pitra Lok. They speak about the city where all our ancestors live, right? That is an astral city.

Before we come down to Earth and after we die here, we all go to that place. And there’s not just one city. There are many places where all our souls go back to.

They can be lower-dimensional, they can be higher-dimensional, they can be a lower astral world, they can be a higher astral world. There are different stages.

In Hindu culture, they say there are Patal Loks. There are seven Loks below Earth. And there are multiple, but mainly seven Loks above the earth. These are the lower dimensions and the higher dimensions. Our soul is definitely higher than our body. Our soul is trapped here in the body, which is why it faces this gravitational issue—it cannot float and it cannot fly.

But the soul can go anywhere. It doesn’t have material. It can go past walls and it can fly. So when our soul leaves our body, it goes to these astral realms.

If you have subscribed to Gaia TV, there is a man who [was a writer]. During the Second World War, he was channelling a man who had died. It just happened. He was asked to channel. He was requested by that man, “Since you’re writing, I want you to write my story.” And that man told him everything about the astral world, and he told him about the difference, he told him how he died.

I think the movie is called Astral City, and it is a true story. It [involves] channelling, where this man channelled this doctor who had died and who told him about life after death.

Then, again there was a book a few years back, about ten years back. I don’t remember the name.

The Laws of the Spirit World. That was the name of the book, right?

AB: I’ve read that, it’s fantastic, yes. About the two young boys, right? Written by the mother.

GA: Correct.

There are a lot of books that I have read, and this movie that I saw. I also translated that movie into Hindi and put it on my channel for people to know.

So, you know, when you talk about a movie… as long as I speak about a book, people will say, oh, that has to be authentic. But the moment I say “movie”, people will have questions in their mind. “Oh, she's talking about a movie.” Why can't a movie be a true story? Can’t they be mind-programming you or telling you the truth through a movie? Of course they can, and they have. The only thing is that they have not told us about it.

There is a movie that recently came out, an animated movie called Soul. That movie tells you, to quite perfection, or I would say accuracy, what happens to our soul after our death.

So there are astral cities and just like there are astral cities, people who are living in the lower astral realm or the higher astral realm. Similarly, there are people living in our space, in our sky and all around us who are higher-dimensional [beings].

AB: On that note, I want you to explain to us: what are angels? What are extraterrestrials? What are extra-dimensional beings? When you say “higher-dimensional,” what do you mean?

So that people are set up to understand when you’re using these terms what you’re talking about. 

GA: So, on Earth, we are in the fourth–we were until 2011, we were in the fourth dimensional life. 

AB: Fourth or third?

GA: Third density. Fourth dimension is time. So, length, breadth, width. Third density is the body we have. 

Then there is the fourth dimension, which is time. On Earth, it is linear: past, present and future. But generally, it is not linear. It all works in parallel and simultaneously, in this very moment, in the higher dimensions and in a lot of other places.

Even in the third dimension, and in every dimension or density, you have levels. You rise higher. You ascend. You evolve.

So, for thousands of years, Hindu culture—I wouldn’t call it Hindu; it is actually Sanatana culture. Sanatana was never a religion, it was a culture. It was a way of life. 

AB: A philosophy.

GA: Right, a philosophy. In that culture, there have been so many books, so many gods and so many mentions of people watching from the skies. Devtas watched from the skies and came in their chariots from the skies. 

They were not coming from America to India. They were coming from higher dimensions or other planets.

Why is it not possible that the Devtas that we talk about—I’m not talking about Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh, but the Devtas and the avatars—why is it not possible that they were actually higher-dimensional beings?

Now because the Earth is so vast and because people saw and experienced them, when you raise your frequency and your vibration, you can see higher-dimensional beings. 

[The Earth has been moving] from the fourth dimension into the fifth dimension since 2011. It is in the process. It is in the birthing process.

The higher the dimension we enter, the lighter our bodies become. In the sixth dimension, we don’t have a physical body.

Even in the fifth dimension, our bodies would be very light, and we may probably not need a body when we reach the higher levels of the fifth dimension. There are levels within every dimension.

In the sixth dimension, you don’t have a body. You are pure light.

So, you cannot see them. You may see the sun, a light or an orb of light, but you can’t see a person in it. Why? Because you are not operating at that frequency.

Now, there are dwarfs and fairies who are second-dimensional higher beings, but you can’t see them. Why can’t you see them? Because they vibrate at a different frequency. It’s not that they aren’t there, they’re there. 

AB: You said second-dimensional?

GA: Fairies, dwarfs and gnomes—all these beings, they are also second-dimensional beings. They’re not third-dimensional. They’re second-dimensional.

AB: Interesting.

GA: You don’t vibrate at their level, so most of the time, you cannot see them. But that doesn’t mean that everyone cannot see them.

There are people who may be able to see them. It depends on whether you have that ability, whether your crown is activated, whether your third eye is activated and whether you have those psychic abilities to see through dimensions and densities.

There are people who can see through densities. They can see through a wall. There are people who do remote viewing. They can be sitting in one corner of the Earth and can travel to another corner, see what they have to and come back.

Their body is not going. It is just their consciousness.

At the end of the day, we are all one consciousness. Even those beings, even us and all the things around us. We are all one consciousness. We are all the one Infinite Creator, and parts of him. 

Now what happened is, Earth being so vast. And during those times, yes, there were people using crafts and UFOs, but different cultures and people living on lands saw beings in a different light. They gave them names that they understood.

Maybe, in the Middle East, they saw angels and called them archangels.

For example, Michael. Christians call him Michael, and Islamic people call him Mikhail. A lot of the archangels are common between the two.

Recently, somebody sent me a page [from a Punjabi book]. It was a very old book by a guru. I don’t remember the name of the book.

Earlier, I thought it was the Guru Granth Sahib, but I was wrong. It was not the Guru Granth Sahib. It was some other book in which it was mentioned that Archangel Michael is Brahma, I think.

AB: Wow.

GA: Or Shiva, something like that. He likened these angels to them.

If you ask me, at the end of the day, everybody is one. Whether it is an archangel, Michael, Mikhail, Shiva or Brahma, they are all one consciousness. But they are of a higher consciousness.

They have been meditating for centuries, maybe thousands and millions of years. Their consciousness has risen very high. Their frequency and vibration are very high.

So, Shiva is the stillness of space, that dark, midnight-blue stillness of the space. He is still. He is always in meditation. It's very rarely that he comes out of meditation.

Why does Pralaya occur? Pralaya occurs because he has come out of meditation. So, something has to change. To bring about that transformation and change, some kind of destruction has to happen.

There are different kinds of transformation that happen at different times. Shiva brings that transformation.

All the Yugas we’ve had, all the cycles we have been told about—in the Law of One, [it says that] humans on Earth have lived a cycle of 75,000 years. That is one major cycle.

There are people who say humans have been here for millions of years. I don’t know about that, but I do know that the first density and the second density of Earth have been here for millions of years.

It’s the third density, meaning human beings, who arrived from a lot of other planets.

I read this book called The Only Planet of Choice, which was also channelled material, suggested by Ra. But unfortunately, because the authors had died, a lot of crap was added to the book that did not belong there.

AB: Before we get into the Law of One and Ra, I just want to clarify for the people listening in.

Extra-dimensional, higher-dimensional beings and angels are different names given to extra-dimensional beings. Correct?

GA: I wouldn’t call them extra-dimensional. Because there’s lower or higher.

AB: Okay, let’s call them higher-dimensional beings.

You’re saying higher-dimensional beings may be called angels. But you were calling them two-dimensional, while we are three-dimensional. How does that make them higher?

GA: I didn’t call angels two-dimensional. I said fairies.

AB: Yes.

GA: Second density. Second density not dimensional. 

AB: Okay, before we get on to density and dimensions, I want you to explain extraterrestrials to us, and then we'll go on to this, and then we'll go into Law of One which I'm dying to talk to you about.

GA: When you speak about extraterrestrials, terrestrial means territory. It means somebody coming from another territory, so another territory [outside of] Earth.

Extraterrestrial–the USA and all these people have given them a lot of different names, but they are all beings from other planets or star systems.

There are not just one or two stars. There are millions of stars out there in our solar system, and then there are millions of stars in our Milky Way. And then there are many such Milky Ways in our universe.

Can you imagine how many billions and trillions of star systems there may be, which may be thousands or millions of light years away? But they all have beings living there.

Now, when you speak about beings living there, they may look different. They may have adopted different bodies. 

Now, why is that? Some may not have a nose or ears because they don’t speak. They use telepathy. They use visions through telepathy. They don’t use words and language. That is only on Earth.

On the sun, they use Solex-Mal. Solex-Mal is a language but that is also telepathy. They don’t speak. Speech is only used on Earth, which is why they don’t need a mouth, they don’t need ears.

They may have very large ears or big eyes, for whatever reason. They have different kinds of bodies because the chemical composition of the atmosphere on all these planets is different.

AB: It’s different. So they have adapted to their environment.

GA: Exactly. Because they had to adapt to the atmosphere, to the environment of the planet, they adopted different bodies.

Now, the body is also something that you decide in your soul contract before you are born.

“Oh, you’re going to Earth. Okay, the body is supposed to be like this. What kind of height, weight and colour do you want?”

They have adopted those bodies only for the sake of convenience.

But other than that, are we all a body? We are not a body. The moment we die, we leave our body. If we take rebirth, we take another body.

The body has never been important, but it has been drilled into our minds that, just because their bodies are different, they are different from us.

No, they’re not. They also have emotions. They also have feelings.

The only thing is that they may be higher-dimensional, because there are a lot of third-density or fourth-dimensional planets out there. For example, Sirius is a very highly advanced third-density planet.

AB: I want you to tell us: have you ever experienced a higher-dimensional being?

GA: Yes, I have. But I have not seen them.

AB: But you felt the presence?

GA: Oh yes, many times. I have actually felt the presence of lower and higher [beings].

Lower, I have seen them, I’ve felt them, I’ve experienced them. Spirits or ghosts, or whatever they are, have made my life difficult for decades.

I have felt them, seen them. They have touched me. They have spoken to me. They have come in front of me. I have seen that.

I don’t fear them anymore. Actually, I never really did. I don’t fear them, but they really make life difficult at times.

But at the same time, I also know that I have higher-dimensional beings around me all the time.

If it’s a lower-dimensional being, a lower being, [from the] lower astral world, they will stink. It will stink.

AB: Oh, wow. Okay.

GA: If it’s a higher-dimensional being, you will feel as though somebody just passed by wearing a fragrant perfume. A very strong perfume. Sometimes, it lingers for a long time.

I have been woken up from my dreams by it. I have felt a hug. I have felt a kiss, literally here, and I felt a hug here. A tight hug. And suddenly. Like, supposing your child comes and jumps on you and hugs you, you will be thrown back for a second, right? I got the same feeling. God, what I would not do to get that hug again.

AB: You know, Ginni, I really believe that the work you and I are both doing, we can’t do without protection from higher-dimensional beings, and guidance. 

GA: Yes.

AB: I feel that we are very lucky to get a lot of guidance and protection.

But tell me, when you felt this, it clearly felt very loving and protective. Did you get messages?

GA: I start crying when that happens. There’s so much love in it. So much love.

AB: Yes, yes.

GA: You know, I start crying, and I enjoy that moment.

Yes, there were messages sometimes. For example, generally, when I do tarot—

I’m not just a numerologist. I do tarot. I’m a hypnotherapist. I do Feng Shui. I mean, I’m a Theta healer. I’m a Reiki master. I’m a lot of things, but I choose not to indulge in that a lot.

Whenever I do tarot and numerology, I do get a lot of messages. At times, they don’t seem logical.

If there’s another tarot reader sitting there, she might ask me, “But the cards don’t show that. How are you saying it?”

I don’t know why I’m saying it, but I just got a message, and I would rather say it.

The same thing happens in numerology. When I used to get those messages, initially I questioned myself. “Why am I thinking like that? The numbers don’t say that. But I’m getting a message, and there could be this possibility.”

So, initially, 20 years back, or 15 years back, when I had started, I used to doubt myself. With time, I learned not to doubt myself.

That is where the difference between ego and intuition comes in.

There are times when I receive intuition every minute of the day, for everything. I receive guidance, and I thank my spirit guides, my guardian angels, my higher self and my archangels for that.

They’re always there because I keep calling on them anyways. Even if I didn’t, I know that they’re there because they guide me.

When it comes to actually sitting down and channelling, it has happened with me. It has happened a lot of times when I’m just about to fall asleep.

What I used to do was say, “Okay, tomorrow morning, when I wake up, I will write this down.” By morning, I used to forget.

Now, the moment something happens, some thought comes to my mind, I record it on my phone.

I have got insights on different aspects of numerology and tarot that I was not taught when I did the course. I have got insights like that.

Again, those are messages from the higher realms because I wouldn’t have known otherwise. I checked on it. I literally did it for a lot of people, and I realised it was bingo—absolutely perfect. It was so beautiful.

AB: Have you ever seen an extraterrestrial, Ginni?

GA: Seen? No.

AB: Seen or experienced an extraterrestrial?

GA: Extraterrestrial, not extra-dimensional, okay. 

AB: Not extra-dimensional, but extraterrestrial. 

GA: No, I have not. I have not seen them.

But when I went with our Law of One group, we had gone twice—once in 2022 and once in 2023—on an expedition to meditate.

AB: Where had you gone?

GA: In India, towards the hills. The Himalayas.

AB: Okay. So now, actually, talk to us about the Law of One. You’ve mentioned it a few times in the conversation. Tell people about it. 

GA: Channelling happens better when you are in a group, because when you’re alone, you don’t know who you’re channelling. It could be a lower-dimensional being.

When we had gone together, oh my God, we didn’t even need to sit down in meditation.

We were just together, and everybody started getting messages. We were standing there, looking at the stars, telling Ra, “We want to see you,” and we saw these crafts.

AB: Ra is an Egyptian god, right?

GA: I’ll come to that. Let me complete.

We saw these things. In the night, at 11 o’clock, 12 o’clock or three o’clock, when you see shooting stars, they’re not really shooting stars. They’re UFOs.

If you’re calling out to them, that’s how they make themselves visible to you. [They’re saying], “Yes, we are here.”

They will blink like this. If you ask a question, they’ll blink. They will run from one side to the other. They will blink here, disappear and then come out over there.

That is how they play. That is how they make themselves visible to you.

There are a few members of our Law of One group who have actually seen a UFO during the day. It has happened, and a lot of people have had lots of experiences.

The moment you start listening to the Law of One, most people in our group put on headphones, go out into the open and listen on the terrace or in the garden, or something.

They keep looking at the sky, and they are sure to see UFOs around. They see lights, they see all this activity happening.

And when you ask for a message, you have to understand [what the Law of One is].

The Law of One is a book that was channelled by Carla. It was a team of three people: Don, Jim and Carla.

Don used to believe that there were extraterrestrials and higher-dimensional [beings]. It’s not like life was only on Earth, and he wanted to know more.

Because physics did not give him answers, he started meditating and he started looking for answers in other manners. He started [receiving] downloads and channelling.

He wrote a couple of books. He also wrote Voices of the Confederation, he wrote The Saucers Speak.

During this one phase, when he and Carla and a group of people–I think there was one person called Tom and there was Andrija Puharich, if I’m not wrong, in the initial stages.

So, there were these big names who had books out there. This group of people, they were channelling, and Carla, Don and Jim had joined them by then.

They started channelling Ra. Ra said, “I am Ra.” They asked him, like you asked me, “Ra is the Egyptian God?” So he's not the Egyptian God, even in Sanatana Dharma, Ra is the name of the sun, and Ra lives on the sun. In Egypt, Ra has appeared in the skies a couple of times—18,000 years back, 11,000 years back and then 6,500 years back.

He came down and connected with a Pharaoh of Egypt because he thought this was one person who had the—

He was a wanderer. That Pharaoh’s name was Akhenaten. But because he started spreading the Law of One at that point, he changed his name to Amun.

People started calling him Amun-Ra, because he received his knowledge from Ra.

After he died, even the Egyptians and people in that region went back to their multiple gods, Isis and Thoth and all of that.

They did not stick to the Law of One. Because of the power struggle, because of the greed for power and money, the Law of One kind of vanished from there.

But Ra had come there to teach the Law of One, and Amun-Ra was spreading the Law of One in his region, which is why people associate him with Ra.

But Ra is not Amun-Ra. Amun-Ra was a Pharaoh on Earth. He was a wanderer who had come down to Earth to teach the Law of One [as part of] his soul contract, which is why Ra approached him. And when he went away, then finally Ra had gone. 

Before that, Ra’s people—

Ra is not the name of one person. Ra is the name of the millions of people who live on the sun. They all share that consciousness.

A lot of Ra’s people had gone to other regions on Earth, like Machu Picchu, Peru, South America and other regions.

In the north of India, somewhere near the China and Russia border, there was a place that used to be called Ur at that time, if I’m not wrong.

A lot of these people had gone to different regions of Earth to spread the Law of One, but they were not successful.

When Ra said, “I am Ra,” Don asked questions.

Finally, what happened was that Don was not able to channel Ra because, to channel Ra, you need a narrow bandwidth.

Carla was able to absorb that well enough, and Don was not. Because Don was not comfortable. He was doubting himself.

I just explained how I was doubting my intuition. Similarly, Don was doubting himself, but Carla was not.

Because Carla was a very devout Christian. She believed in Jesus and sang hymns, so she just let herself go. She was not much of a talker, so whatever she was channelling, she was saying.

[The way] I understood that she was channelling Ra was that her soul would go kind of out of her body, and Ra would enter her body.

Not the complete soul, I’m sure some part of it must have remained there. How they did it, I don’t know.

There was one chapter in which he had explained that Carla’s soul needed to come back. That’s when I understood. I said, “Oh my God. That means Carla’s soul is out of the body and Ra’s soul is inside.”

Something like that was happening.

[There was] also another higher-dimensional being, but with a negative polarity.

People say, “How can a negative-polarity [being] be higher-dimensional?” Yes, they can. They can raise their vibrations and become a higher-dimensional being.

They can go up to the fourth dimension and fifth dimension. But when they go to the sixth–Because the fifth dimension is all about creating a balance between love, positive polarity and negative polarity. It is about creating a balance between service to self and service to others.

Which is what we are all supposed to learn for the next millions of years.

In the sixth dimension, you become one. There are no two polarities. There is just one. The law is one.

[The phrase] “Law of One” was only designed or explained to us because we understand that language.

Actually, you can call it universal brotherhood. It’s universal brotherhood, throughout.

AB: You can call it oneness. Some people call it oneness, some people call it universal love.

GA: Exactly. But why did Ra use the words “Law of One”? It’s because it is the law of the universe. The entire universe is based on that.

All the other planetary systems and races, extraterrestrials, they do not differentiate between people based on caste, colour, creed, language, nation or even planets.

For them, you are me and I am you. We are all one, except for [those with] negative polarity.

AB: Okay, but I have a question here, and maybe you have an answer.

If there is so much positivity coming from—you’re saying Ra is based on the sun—and if this intelligence is real, this universal intelligence, and what you’re saying about the Law of One [is real], then why does humanity seem so lost?

Why have we got to this point where we’re destroying each other so much?

GA: I also spoke about negative polarity, if you remember.

AB: Yes.

GA: During 2020, when the lockdown and COVID happened, I was asking, “Why is this happening [all over the world]?”

And then, a lot of things happened, and somebody told me that all of this was happening worldwide because there was some secret government or secret society controlling it.

I asked, “How are they so powerful that they can control the entire world, and why do they want to do it?”

When I asked that question, that is when the Law of One came to me.

They say that the Law of One finds you. You don’t go around finding it.

If you are listening to the Law of One or asking about it, it is because you were meant to. Many of them are starseed, many of them are wanderers who are here to raise the consciousness of humanity and bring people out of this darkness.

That is when I came to know that there were Anunnaki who came to Earth thousands of years ago, about 20,000 years ago.

There are so many different theories about it, which is why I started reading The Only Planet of Choice, to understand where all this was coming from.

AB: The Only Planet of Choice is a book?

GA: It’s a book. 

AB: The Only Planet of Choice is a book by? 

GA: It’s a book which is channelled [material], but it has been tampered with.

Unless and until you understand the Law of One and understand how the universe works, you will not be able to tell which parts of it are real.

That is why I stopped [reading it]. I came to a chapter where all they were talking about was how Israel is the god and saviour of the entire world.

No, that’s not true. That was added to the book.

We can make that out now because we know about all these conspiracies.

When I asked, “Who is doing this? Why is humanity in the state that it is?” Then I came to know that these Anunnaki had come here from Nibiru.

Nibiru is another planet. Supposedly, there is another planet called Nibiru that we have not been told about. It is very far away, but there comes a time in thousands of years when it comes towards Earth. These people come down to Earth, and they are giant people.

During this phase, we also came to know that we have another moon called Fauza, which is somewhere out there in the sky.

Even our moon is an artificial satellite. It is made of metal, which was placed near Earth to bring about emotional negative polarity among people.

AB: Wow. That’s a very strong statement.

GA: Yes. Now, why did this happen? I’ll tell you.

When humans came down to Earth, they came for meditation and ascension, but they would not ascend. They would not meditate.

They were enjoying life because they did not have the veil of forgetting. And, they knew, “Oh, we are going to ascend,” because they could see the past and they could see the future.

That is when the moon was brought and placed here, and the veil of forgetting was placed in the subconscious mind.

So that it was, “Okay, now you don’t remember a thing. Now go down to Earth. Start meditating and start connecting with your one infinite Creator.”

This is why a lot of people became confused about the light and dark sides.

When you call it the dark side, the dark cannot exist if there is no light, and light cannot exist if there is no dark. They both complement each other.

It is negative polarity and positive polarity. It is the divine feminine and the divine masculine, emotions and logic.

Everything is [within] us. Every cell of our body is a universe. We are a universe.

God is in every cell of us, in each and every cell. God is there. In every word we speak and every thought we think.

AB: In the positive and negative?

GA: Yes.

AB: In the negative polarity as well.

GA: In the Law of One, we learned that there was a son of God who wanted to become God.

He said, “I don’t believe in God. I’m not going to worship him. I’m going to become God.”

He started capturing planets and taking them into his system. He started going to every planet and leaving his people there, [with a] negative polarity, to dominate, control and enslave people.

AB: Before I ask you my final question, I want you to quickly tell me, in just a few sentences, about what you said regarding the moon being artificially placed there.

By whom and when? What proof do you have?

GA: By whom, I’m not aware, but there is lots of proof and lots of documents. Even NASA knows it. There are lots of documents you will find online.

There are also some declassified documents from the US government that are out there. You can check documents on blackvault.com.

In the beginning, when you spoke about Trump releasing the documents, they’re all humbug. That is not disclosure.

The real disclosure happened that day when Steven Greer—if you follow him. 

If you want to know about all of this, there are a few people you should follow and listen to.

The first is Steven Greer, about extraterrestrials and higher-dimensional people. The second is David Icke. The third is Billy Carson.

If you follow these people, you will know exactly what’s going on.

AB: We’ll put all their details.

GA: It’s because Steven Greer had supposedly been telling the government, “If you do not disclose this to humans, I will do it.”

Which is why they disclosed some documents, most of which were not even important. There’s nothing in there.

I haven’t even bothered to open them because I know there’s no point. You want to know the reality?

AB: But what is interesting is that they’re acknowledging it to the world, whatever is in the files.

GA: No. They’re acknowledging it because this year, they plan to use Blue Beam technology to show people fake UFOs and extraterrestrials, like what they did in Hawaii and Peru a couple of years back, if you remember.

All those were Blue Beam technology. They were not real aliens. That is what they plan to do this year.

They plan to use Blue Beam. Remember, they keep saying, “Jesus is going to fly down from the sky.”

They are saying it because that’s what they’re going to do using Blue Beam technology and holographic technology. Nothing like that is actually going to happen.

AB: Interesting. I think you and I definitely need to talk more about this in a third podcast.

But Ginni, my final question to you is: if someone listening feels very curious and wants to somehow open themselves to these experiences safely and consciously, what would you advise them to do?

GA: Meditate.

AB: How do they go about it very carefully?

GA: First, I would suggest starting with the Hemi-Sync meditations by Robert Monroe.

AB: The Monroe meditations.

GA: The Monroe meditations.

Second, I would suggest reading the Law of One. But the Law of One did not end in 1981. It is still continuing in the form of Q’uo channelling, which is on L/L Research’s website.

There are lots of books that you can download from there for free. They have PDFs. Most of them are channelled material.

When you read a book or material, there is only one thing you need to understand and observe to make sure it is authentic: are they infringing on your free will by saying something? Are they telling you, “Do this,” and, “Don’t do this”?

If the law of the universe is the Law of One, and it says free will is the [highest] law and that nobody can infringe upon anybody else’s free will, why would they say in religious books, “You have to worship me. I am the only God”?

God would never say that. Only a devil would say that. God would never say that.

All those changes have been brought into the books by [those with] negative polarity.

AB: On that note, Ginni, that was such an amazing podcast.

I’m going away with lots and lots of questions, but also lots and lots of reading material and advice.

That was such a valuable podcast because I think it’s going to get a lot of people thinking along these lines.

Thank you so much. I’m really grateful to you for that.

GA: Thank you.

AB: To those of you listening, whether you believe in angels, whether you believe in extraterrestrials, whether you believe in higher-dimensional beings or none of it at all, human beings across every culture and every century have been asking the same questions.

What are we, really? Why are we here? What is our purpose? Are we alone? Who is watching us from out there?

Maybe the answers matter less than our willingness to keep asking these questions, to stay curious, to stay grounded and to remain open to the possibility that reality may be far stranger and far more beautiful than we realise.

I’m Anshu Bahanda. Thank you for being here with us today.

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