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What if sound could heal your deepest wounds?

• Anshu Bahanda

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You might hum when you’re nervous, chant when you’re seeking calm, or lose yourself in a piece of music — but what if sound could do more than soothe? What if it could physically shift your brainwaves, calm your nervous system, and even help you heal?

In this episode of Cultivating Inner Peace, host Anshu Bahanda speaks with Eileen Day McKusick, a pioneering voice in sound therapy and creator of Biofield Tuning, and Dr. Puja Myles, public health specialist and Monroe Institute trainer, about how intentional sound can become a tool for self-regulation, emotional clarity, and grounded presence.

Together, they explore how sound interacts with our body’s electromagnetic field, how frequencies can be mapped to different states of consciousness, and how simple practices like humming or vocal toning can release tension, reduce anxiety, and bring the body back into harmony. You’ll hear why ancient practices like chanting and modern tools like binaural beats aren’t just spiritual fluff — they’re rooted in neuroscience and backed by research.

If you’ve ever felt the urge to hum, sing, or just sit in silence — this conversation explains why.

🎧 Watch now to understand how sound, when used with purpose, becomes more than noise — it becomes healing.

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Anshu Bahanda: I'm sure you've had times in your life where you walk in somewhere and your mood changes because you've heard a sound, you've heard a song, you've heard some music. Suddenly, your body might relax. This music might get to you, deep, deep inside you. And as I always say, it might get to your soul. Sound is everywhere. When it's done with intention, it becomes more than just noise. It becomes medicine.

Welcome to Wellness Curated. This is your host, Anshu Bahanda. And our series is Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living. And within that, we're doing a very special season: cultivating inner peace.

Today, we're going to see how sound, when used with precision and with purpose, can help us to restore, to regulate, and to reconnect. From tuning forks to brain training—frequency-based brain training—sound has been used as a bridge between ancient rituals and modern science. We're joined by two brilliant women today who use sound to help people in many, many different ways. And this is the stuff I get out of bed for. So, so I am so excited about this chat today. We have with us Eileen Day McKusick. She's a sound therapy innovator, she's an author, and she's creator of Biofield Tuning. This is a method which works with the electromagnetic field of your body and releases energetic blockages. Through her books and tools like the Sonic Slider, she's helped people reattune their physical, emotional, mental systems. And we also have with us Dr. Puja Myles. She's a public health specialist, she's an educator, and she's a Monroe Institute outreach trainer. Her work explores how sound can be used to shift brain waves and to enhance wellness. Welcome to the chat, ladies, and thank you for being here with us today. I'm going to jump into questions now, and I want Puja and Eileen both to tell me how, in the modalities that you use, what do you do and how do you use sound?

Puja Myles: Sound science has a basis in neuroscience, and this is something that we're learning only recently. So, for example, we know from our own personal experiences that sound and music can invoke these profound emotional responses in us. And that's definitely got a basis in neuroscience. One of the reasons why there's such a resonance between sound and emotional responses is because of this part of the brain structures called the limbic system. Now, this limbic system is a set of brain structures and neural circuitry that's involved in emotional processing, in processing of memory, and behavioral regulation. And what happens is, when you listen to certain sounds and music, there are, amongst other things, two parts of your brain that just light up. One is the amygdala, which is involved in emotional processing. And the second is the hippocampus, which lights up when we are processing memories and consolidating memories. This is why when you hear certain sounds and musical compositions, you're immediately transported to a specific emotional memory. And this is so beautiful because it happens automatically, it happens spontaneously, without you having to actively engage with these sounds. And what this means is that you can use these sound frequencies to bypass maybe some initial resistance from your conscious mind to tap into your deep subconscious, where there might be certain emotions that you've repressed or beliefs that are holding you back.

AB: Thank you, Puja. Now tell me, how do you work with this in your modality?

PM: I work primarily with the Monroe Institute. And what we know is that there is a phenomenon called the frequency following response. What this means is that if you listen to certain sound frequencies, our brain waves start oscillating at that very same frequency. And we also know that there are different brainwave types that are all associated with different consciousness or emotional or mental states of being. So, by mapping sound frequencies and combinations of sound frequencies to different consciousness states, we can use this frequency following response to actually take the listener very gently—almost like riding those sound waves—into those states of consciousness.

And that is primarily how we work with this.

AB: Wonderful. And I love the Monroe Institute's work. So Eileen, you tell me, how do you think sound works with the brain, and also how do you work with sound and science in your modality?

Eileen McKusick: I tend to have a whole-system approach to sound, where we consider the brain but also the rhythms of the heart. Really, every part of the body is in rhythm, is in motion, is music, is producing waves, is responding to our consciousness that is producing those waves. So I've come to see the body really as a collection of sounds. And we're either in tune and everything is coherent and orderly and in harmony, or we are out of tune. And what I've discovered is that we're actually self-tuning instruments that are designed to be in harmony. I use a very simple tool. I'm an acoustic, low-tech gal. I found that a tuning fork, which produces a steady, coherent rhythm and consistent tone, will act as a biofeedback device. As we move it around the body and interact with different signals coming off the body, it gives the body the opportunity to become self-aware of its own noise or lack of proper rhythm and tune itself—bring itself back into order and harmony—which usually involves relaxing in some way. Because, like Puja was saying, we hold these things subconsciously and put a lot of energy very often into resisting feeling certain emotions. And so the sound bypasses the conscious mind and really just gets right into those places of dissonance. We almost always are holding some kind of pattern of tension, of a trauma response. And this is inhibiting free breathing. It's inhibiting blood and lymph flow.

And so, as the body relaxes the noise in the signal, it relaxes the tension in the physiology, which then just allows the body to enter into a flow state and fix itself.

AB: So when you talk about the systems of the body, you're talking about the electrical system of the body, which you talked about. And explain to me how Biofield Tuning works with the electrical system of the body.

EM: Well, the electrical system is really the primary system of the body that determines whether you're alive or dead. Your heartbeat is plugged into the universal current and beats, and you breathe air which has charge in it. And we get sunlight, and we get sunlight from food. I would say that our electrical system—our biofield—is what we call our mind, our conscious mind, our subconscious mind, and it's also where all our memories are stored. It is basically a packet of vibrating information that's a consequence of all the inputs we've ever had and the unique soul signature that we came in with. Biofield Tuning is a process of activating a tuning fork and very slowly combing it through the body's magnetic field. So, anything that has electric current running through it has a magnetic field around it. And the human body is no different. As we comb very gently through this magnetic field, there are standing waves in this field where I've discovered that our memories are stored. They may also be stored in the brain. But over the course of four years, when I first started exploring the atmosphere around the body, I discovered that it had a very specific anatomy and physiology that was the same from person to person and related to different states of mind and different emotions and different areas where information was stored. So, if I'm going through your field and all of a sudden I hit an area where the tone of the fork changes and the quality of the vibration in my fingertips changes—and this is very evident, it's not as subtle as some people think it is—if we get into an area of very heavy distortion, it's very easy for the person on the table to discern that noise in the signal. And what that pocket of incoherent signal is, is some kind of traumatic memory that the body is holding the electrical system in a chaos pattern of tension. And that is trapping energy flow. So there'll be a sense of resistance, almost as if you're encountering mass. And this is a jam-up, basically, in the flow of the electrical system. So, simply by staying there and reflecting to the body its incoherence, the body becomes self-aware. It's sort of like you don't know you have a seed in your teeth until you look in a mirror. And then as soon as you look in the mirror, you realize, wow, I've got something in my teeth, my hair is a mess. I'm going to bring myself to order with this reflection. And so it's the exact same thing. Your body's organizing intelligence recognizes its out-of-orderness and then uses that input to put itself back in order—that coherent input. And it's really a process of combing the energy that had been frozen in this system back into circulation. We bring it back to the midline of the body, which then puts it back into circulation. It's sort of a defragmenting of your hard drive that optimizes performance.

AB: Thank you. Defragmenting of your hard drive—that’s interesting. Puja, I want to ask you about the mental health benefits that you have seen. How is what you do with the Monroe Institute—how does that help work with the brain to help with mental health issues?

PM: I can speak first more generally about some of the science that is out there. And there is a lot of evidence in the scientific literature now about how various sound modalities—not just the Monroe Institute's modality—can have a positive effect on mental health. So, for example, there are many studies which have reported statistically significant reduction in stress, in anxiety, depression, even things like post-traumatic stress disorder, burnout, and also for insomnia. What they found is that this is apparent with many different types of sound modalities. These could range as widely as listening to a singing bowl session or doing mantra meditation with chants with certain sounds—and then, of course, more modern sound-science-based techniques where you have specific sound frequencies that can help modulate your state of mind. So take you to maybe a slightly more neutral, calm space. Now, with the Monroe Institute, as I said previously, what they have done is they have mapped these combinations or recipes of sound frequencies that map to different emotional and consciousness states. Which means depending on where you want to go, you can pick a track which has those frequencies to help shift your state. And as Eileen also said, while we talk about brain science and neuroscience, actually this is a whole physiological response to this. We see patterns—for example, sometimes just after one session of listening to a sound-based practice, if you measure the saliva of people who are listening to it, you will see a reduction in some of the inflammatory markers in that saliva. So these effects are that immediate. We know that it's not just a subjective perception of listeners that “this is helping me,” which in itself is a great thing. I mean, if you feel that you're in a better space after listening to these modalities, that's fabulous. But we also have objective markers that show this is not just your imagination or a placebo effect—it is working with your physiology.

AB: Yes, I think a lot of people have worked with brainwaves before and after to see how they have changed, and that there is a change in your brain immediately after sound. I'd love to hear both your opinions on that. What are the tools and what is the research that has happened immediately after? You talked about saliva—I’d love to hear about some more of the research that's being done.

EM: We have done several research studies with people receiving Biofield Tuning to treat anxiety. We did a feasibility study back in 2020 where we had 15 volunteers and they each received three sessions over Zoom, and then journaled and left voice notes and filled out forms about their change in state. So we weren't necessarily measuring immediately before and after—although I have done work with that. Not published work, but with EEGs in real-time while tuning. And you see the shift happen immediately as you're going through the process. The entrainment of sound has an immediate effect on the body—and people know it. I mean, everybody knows that sound has an effect on them. But it is great to see more and more studies coming out. We actually have another one coming out where we had 100 volunteers, and 65 of them received five Biofield Tuning sessions over Zoom for anxiety. Because in the first one, everyone came in with anxiety, and everyone left without it after just three sessions. So we wanted to know what would happen with a larger group and what would happen with a control group. We're currently collating all that data, which I can't wait to see, and that will also be submitted for peer review. So we are—through my institute—adding to this data about the efficacy of sound interventions to have not just an immediate effect, but a lasting effect on people's mental and emotional health.

AB: Thank you. Puja, tell me about what research you've seen.

PM: In addition to looking at reductions in inflammatory biomarkers, there’s research out there which shows that cortisol—the stress hormone—can also go down following sound-based sessions. EEG changes are almost immediately discernible. So you might start a session and your brainwaves are looking very chaotic, and at the end of the session, they have a more coherent pattern. And what we see is that our brains have this left hemisphere and right hemisphere—and sometimes it's almost like they're fighting against each other. But after these sound-based sessions, because there is this phenomenon—which includes things called binaural beats—where you're listening to a slightly different sound in one ear and a different sound in another ear, the brain doesn't like this. So what the brain does is it tries to make sense of it and actually creates this third sound. And in the process of creating this third sound, it then achieves the sense of coherence between the two hemispheres. That has been shown in a number of studies conducted by the Monroe Institute. And also now, recently, there has been a lot of interest in a specific sound frequency called 40 Hz, which is in the gamma brainwave range, to see if it can reduce or improve cognitive decline in patients with Alzheimer's or dementia. So watch this space—that's really exciting.

AB: Fascinating. But Eileen, coming to the instruments that you use—I know that you've invented tools like Fibonacci pair tuning forks and Sonic Sliders. So can you talk to us about them and tell us how the tuning forks you've developed are different from the other tuning forks?

EM: Sure. Well, I pulled some out here when we were talking about binaural beats. These are weighted tuning forks. This is my Schumann pair, and this is the first one I ever had custom-made. When I first started using tuning forks in ’96, I was using what was available out there. But as time went on and I came to understand sound better, I started doing a lot of research into numbers and all kinds of things. I decided to have my own prototypes made that I started experimenting with. The Schumann Resonance is the background electromagnetic pulsing in our atmosphere. It’s on average around 7.83 Hz. And that’s our brainwaves in a very relaxed, aware, connected brain state. It's the alpha-theta cusp. And it's a very relaxed place. It’s very quiet inside kind of brainwave. Because I knew that we were informed constantly by this electromagnetic inference information in our environment, I thought it would be useful to create a fork that was based in it. So this one is 62.64 Hz—it's 7.83 times 8. As soon as I had it made—I had been using a 128 weighted fork—but this one just seemed much more useful to me. I’m very practical and always looking for what's useful. And I really notice a difference when I use something. So I had this one for a little while, and then I learned about binaural beats and decided to have one made that was an octave lower. So this is 7.83 times 7, or 54.81 Hz. And so when you activate them—and I’m just doing that on my knees—and you hold them next to your ears, it does exactly what Puja was just describing in that it brings your own brainwave into that 7.83 Hz range. So it has an instantly calming effect. Now we can’t really hear this, right? I can put it near you and you might catch the vibe, right? I’ll do a few just to see if you can tune in and feel it. But when you're using them on either side of your own head or somebody else's head, you can feel how the two hemispheres start to communicate better. Puja, I love what you said about the hemispheres sort of disagreeing—sort of like the male and female arguing inside of you. And then alternatively, we can take what we’ve got—a 528 and 417—and these are from the Solfeggio sets. If we do these together, it creates a binaural beat of 111 Hz, which is a very "Wow, I’m awake" kind of binaural beat, and a frequency that they found many acoustic chambers naturally resonate around. So this is just a really simple acoustic way to create that, without exposing yourself to electronic devices.

AB: When you talk about the body coming back to order, and you've talked about taking away the chaos and the body adjusting itself—and Puja, I think you mentioned coherence and brain coherence—so explain to me: how does the body come into order?

EM: It's the physics principles of resonance and entrainment. And this is also how music therapy works. In music therapy, if someone is low energy and depressed, you’re not going to play them upbeat music right away because they’re not going to resonate with it. So music will be selected that matches their state—so that they resonate with that—and then the selections will slowly move into something that’s more upbeat. So it will resonate and then entrain. The tuning forks do the same thing. They initially resonate with whatever disorder is present so that the body can be heard and seen and accepted as it is—witnessed. And then they slowly—because they’re producing a very coherent rhythm and a coherent sonic expression—they will entrain the body to do the same. A strong coherent rhythm will overtake a weak incoherent rhythm. So it’s just a basic physics thing. The molecules in our body are just responding to the input.

AB: And I also want you to tell us—what is the Sonic Slider?

EM: The Sonic Slider is another weighted fork. So we sell five. This is also based in the Schumann Resonance. It's 7.83 times 12, so it makes it 93.96 Hz. Of all the different frequencies I’ve used—because I’ve used many forks that we don’t sell—there is something about this particular frequency that is universally pleasing. I designed it for self-care, so that if you want to resonate yourself back into order and not depend on someone else to do it for you, you can make use of this fork. And a lot of the other ones—you use them for a little bit and you feel done with them. But this particular frequency, it’s sort of like a cat’s purr. It’s just very welcome. The body welcomes it. It can be used for all kinds of things—from improving digestion to taking the sting out of bee stings or the itch out of bug bites. It’s a great first-aid toolkit kind of thing to have. It also has a very long handle that we slide on ourselves—like dry brushing. So what that does is it gets lymph and blood and fascia and everything moving.

AB: Okay, I'm definitely ordering one of those. Puja, I want you to tell me about sound-based brainwave entertainment. What is that?

PM: Firstly, it's sound-based brain entrainment—because it's training your brainwaves.

AB: So it's sound-based brainwave entrainment, not entertainment. Okay, so I got it wrong. So it's sound-based brainwave entrainment. Okay, go ahead.

PM: Correct. This is the idea that if you listen to a sound frequency, your brainwaves will start oscillating at the same frequency. And this doesn’t necessarily need complex and sophisticated tech for it to happen. I mean, how many of us have experienced when you're listening to some drumming, and even if you didn't feel like it to start with, your foot starts tapping? And it's not just your brainwaves that follow this oscillation—it's your whole physiology that starts following this dominant frequency which is in the environment. And it happens not just with sound. It can also happen with things like visual stimulation. So, for example, you may have seen, in the old Star Trek movies, you have the Vulcan sitting with their candle flames, looking at that and gazing at it as part of their meditation. There is a reason to that—and that is because an open flame, whether it’s in an open fire or a candle flame, will flicker between 8 to 10 or 8 to 12 Hz. So that is 8 to 10 times per second. And if you're gazing at it, your brainwaves start oscillating at that frequency. And that actually corresponds to some of the alpha waves, which is a very relaxed state. It's the kind of state you get into when you’re just about to drift off into sleep or just as you're waking up. So auditory—that’s listening to sounds—or visual—which is seeing these flickering lights—can actually help entrain or train your brainwaves to start following those patterns. And because we know that different brainwaves are associated with different consciousness states, you can pick a sound frequency that will take your brainwaves to a state where you want to be. So whether you want extreme focus, or you want to maybe just wind down and get ready for deep sleep, or if you want something which is a deep, relaxed state—which is very great for tapping into your body’s innate healing ability—that’s what I mean by brainwave entrainment in general. And sound-based brainwave entrainment is when you use sound frequencies for that kind of entrainment.

AB: Fantastic. And so if I was to come to you with anxiety issues or burnout, would you be able to use this to help me? Have you used it in the past?

PM: One of the introductory consciousness states we introduce participants to in one of the foundational Monroe Institute workshops is a deep relaxation state. This is something we refer to as Focus 10. And I have to tell you this—the first exercise that we do in the workshop, and usually it’s people who have just arrived—they may be running frantically from a commute, almost getting late. And at the end of that exercise, which is infused with these sound frequencies, almost all of them say, “My goodness, I just feel so relaxed. It’s as if all the worries have just washed away.” So we can get people to that state. Now, the other thing that you can do for brainwave entrainment is—this is what I really like about the Monroe Institute system—it takes away dependence on always having to go back to those sound frequencies. What you can do is: when you listen to these audio exercises or sound frequencies, we teach you how to put an anchor during the exercise—which is a cue. It could be a visual cue, it could be a number like 10 or something—which then tells you, “When I think about this number or this visual cue or this feeling again, I will be able to tap into the memory of that state of relaxation.” So it gives you a lot of empowerment and independence. Even if you’re out and about or at work, you don’t have that dependence: “Oh, I can’t put on my earphones,” or “I don’t want to listen to something—I just want to quickly get into that state.” So that is another way that you can work with brainwave entrainment.

AB: Yeah, and that's fascinating, Puja, because it's something you do in your Monroe exercise. And I'd love you to tell people more about exactly what it is. So when you say you put in an anchor, explain to them exactly what you do, because it's amazing.

PM: So I'm going to recommend to your listeners—after listening to this podcast—go to the Monroe Institute YouTube channel. There is a 10-minute exercise called Relaxation. That is going to be a very good experience which allows you to experience this anchor. It is a guided meditation, and there’s a backing track which is infused with these sound frequencies that take you into this deep relaxed state. When you get out of the exercise, anytime you want to tap into that feeling of relaxation, just close your eyes and bring that visualization to mind. That is what I mean by an anchor—it's that memory. It’s like, “Oh, I picture that and I’m back in that same state of relaxation.” But as I said, it doesn’t have to be visual. It could be—because different people process things differently. So for some people, it might be a number. For some people, we'll just say, “Just think of this number 10.” That’s why we call this deep relaxation state Focus 10. It doesn't mean anything—it’s just an identifier, it’s just a flag. And so when you think of this number 10, you are there—back in that place.

AB: Wonderful. Thank you. I like to leave people with two tools. So I would like each of you to give us a tool for exactly what Puja just said—something for when someone has had a stressful day, an argument, an exam, they’re stressed about work, traffic, a million things. How do you tell people—how can you leave them with one tool that would change their mood?

EM: Something really, really simple is just to hum—and really resonate your skeletal system with your humming. So, start just resonating the head, because that’s easy, and then sort of playfully see if you can go down to your ribs or your shoulders or your scapula. Can you go down into your hips or even your feet? What does it feel like to vibrate yourself from the inside? This will do a number of things. It will get you to start breathing more fully—because in order to hum, you have to take a big breath to do that. It will start energy moving in your body, because you are literally moving sound energy through yourself. And it will change your focus from whatever is troubling you to curiosity about the process of resonating your own bones. So that's one very simple, free, easy thing that you can do.

AB: That's a very good suggestion. And the other thing I like about it—you don’t need anything. You just need yourself. You can just, you know, hum. Puja, would you like to give people a suggestion like that?

PM: You know, interestingly, I would have given humming as my first as well. Just to add some things about humming—there are two related practices. One is humming, which is when you sing a tune or something with your lips closed. You don’t have to be in tune, so don’t worry about that. You can do this even when you're going about your chores—walking the dog or preparing dinner. And not only does the humming get you into a more parasympathetic, relaxed state, the beautiful thing about humming is—with your lips closed—it increases the concentration of nitric oxide in your nasal and sinus passages. So if there's someone who is struggling with a cold or chronic inflammation of their sinuses and nasal passages, it really opens them up. So that's another benefit of humming. A related practice is vocal toning. That is where you chant, maybe say, vowel sounds—A, E, I, O, U—for a couple of minutes to five minutes. That’s without your lips closed. Even that is really great for bringing you into a more centered state—a more relaxed state. In the Monroe Institute, we encourage people at the start of exercises to do this. And we refer to this as resonant tuning. So those were just some of the things I wanted to add to what Eileen said. And the other thing I tell people is—if you want to be grounded or want to come back to a neutral state of presence, wherever you are—you can, if you can, close your eyes. But if you can’t, just soften your gaze, just look into the distance, out through the window, and just be mindful of what are the sounds outside in your environment. It may be the whirring of a fan, it may be birdsong, maybe it's just people talking in the background or typing. But just this—paying attention to the sounds around you—brings you back into your body, into a state of presence, and a neutral state of being.

AB: Before we go—someone who's new to this. Now, I know no one is new to sound. Everyone has had some form of music. I think every religion, every culture, every country has some form of music, some form of chanting. So sound is intrinsic. But for someone who wants to start helping themselves using sound and they’re new to it, what would you recommend? Eileen?

EM: Well, certainly I’m going to recommend Biofield Tuning—because it does exactly what Puja was saying.

Whether you come down the path that we've opened up, or the path that Monroe has opened up—really, the aim is always the same. It's to help people to surface, see, to witness whatever they haven’t been able to integrate up until that point, and let it go. Just release that tension you're holding against it, welcome that energy back into yourself and integrate it. I think the whole aim of sound healing—we’ve both spoken of this the whole way but not come right out and said it—is to bring people to a relaxed, aware presence. That’s it. Where you can show up with your whole self in the present moment—without “ants in your pants” or discomfort that is stopping you from really, truly being there. We all want to receive the gifts of the people we love and their full presence. And we all know what it’s like to be around someone who’s distracted, or in pain, or worrying about the future, or fussing about the past. You can feel the discomfort that they have. So Biofield Tuning is just a process to find all of those “ants in your pants,” basically, and help you to release them. What Puja was talking about—about the quietness that comes when you listen. When you listen to the birds out the window, or when you're listening to somebody’s signal. Certainly, for me, many years of eight hours a day in the clinic just listening to people’s signals created a very quiet space inside. And that’s really where health arises from—when you are in a restful state and your body can attend to all the things that it needs to. When you're chronically under stress, things are chronically breaking down, and your body doesn't have the resources to repair it. So I would invite people who are curious about this to maybe even consider doing some kind of training—whether it’s with bowls, or meditations, or mantra, or what have you—and learning to become a facilitator for others. Because then, being bathed in coherent sound becomes your lifestyle—and it absolutely supports your health.

AB: What I do when I’m stuck with something—I grew up with Indian mantras. And most cultures have some form of chanting. So I just go back to chanting. And there are days when I’ve just sat all day chanting because we've got a big issue—and friends will join in and we do Vedic chanting. And Puja, I 100% agree—even if someone can't hear it, the energy that’s created and the coherence that’s created in that room, not just within ourselves but within all the different people, and the energy that’s created in their lives—it’s just magical. So thank you, ladies. Thank you for being here with us today. Thank you for helping us understand that sound is not just noise. That sound is knowledge, sound is wisdom, sound is energy, sound is life. Thank you. Thank you for being here with us today.

EM: Thank you.

PM: Thank you.

AB: Thank you to our listeners. Thank you for listening to this conversation. And if it struck any sort of chord, take that pause, listen to the sounds around you, and find the note that resonates with you. Please subscribe to our channel for more conversations like this. If you subscribe, we're able to get you more and more speakers for free. This is your host, Anshu Bahanda, and our series is Ancient Wisdom for Modern Living. Thank you for being here.

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